Wednesday, October 11, 2023

Coming Out: One Year Later

A year ago, I took the plunge into living more authentically by publicly coming out as gay on this blog. To honor my anniversary, I thought I would tell more of my life experiences chronologically and share where I am now. This post builds off of my coming-out post.

If I were writing an academic article, I would be scolded for not having a thesis. But this is just a frivolous little blog, so I can do what I want.


Early Years and Elementary School

Even before I really knew the differences between boys and girls, I was always more attracted to boys, and not just for the usual, "eww, cooties!" reason. I spent a lot of time looking at this picture in a children's science book we had.


Early on in kindergarten, I totally had a crush on a boy in my class. (In 2013, I remembered his name being Wesley, so let's go with that.) I had no concept of crushes or gayness, but I just loved Wesley. We did show-and-tell on the same day, so one day we were sitting on chairs in front of the class, waiting for everyone to gather. I kept kissing him on the cheek, and he pretended that the piano was kissing him and kept getting mad at the piano. Some of our classmates were watching this and thought it was hilarious. I also invited him to my birthday party. I threw a tantrum and hid under my bed, and when the other kids came to get me, I would yell at them—but when Wesley came, I was very nice to him. 

I was probably in second or third grade when my mom explained to me that "gay" meant when a man loved another man. She didn't explain what was wrong with that, but I just understood it was very bad.

In fifth grade, we had a maturation program where they explained that we would get taller, grow more hair, and start to notice girls. I remember thinking, "Well, that part definitely hasn't happened to me yet." My classmates would talk about their crushes and the people they liked. I arbitrarily and awkwardly decided I liked a girl, because I really admired her. But of course I didn't actually "like" her. 

Junior High

In junior high, things started to click. I had dreams about boys and men, and I didn't see girls in the same way the other boys did. For example, in seventh grade there was a school assembly where the boys sat on one side of the gym and the girls sat on the other side. One boy nearby said, "It's a good view from here," referring to the view of the girls. But I really didn't care about the view.

In ninth grade, I started seminary with a conservative, fundamentalist teacher. I had always been a Goody Two-Shoes, but I only ramped up my righteousness in ninth grade.

I was an astonishingly weird, awkward kid. In one of my most shameful moments, I said to myself, "I'm sick of being weird. I want to be normal. And normal boys like kissing girls." So I tried to forcibly kiss a girl because I thought it would be funny or cool. (I picked her because we were in a play together, and she had to "kiss" me in the play.) I didn't realize it was bad until a friend asked me seriously, "Did you really try to kiss [the girl]?" I think I am more embarrassed by this incident than anything else in my life.

Today the Church teaches that being gay is not a sin, but acting on it is. I have major issues with that. But when I was young, I didn't even get that messaging. I just got that being gay itself was evil. 

In the summer between ninth and tenth grade, I was really contemplating whether I was gay, and of course I thought it was horrible if I was gay. I remembered my childhood experiences, but I tried to rationalize them away. I didn't really like Wesley; I just thought he had a cool mullet. Those experiences I had at five still resonate with me, but five-year-olds aren't gay or straight. They're just kids. So if those things still resonate with me, it just means I have the mind of a five-year-old. I'm just not fully developed yet

So I prayed about it, and I believed that I received personal revelation that I wasn't gay. This state of denial protected me through painful moments in a homophobic world.
"This past Sunday I got a Patriarchal Blessing interview and the recommend. I told the bishop a secret that I haven't written about in case someone read it. For a while I've wondered if I was gay. I'd prayed about it, but not received an answer that was sufficient. Sometimes I felt I was and sometimes I wasn't. When I think back, the times I felt I wasn't seemed like more spiritual inspired thoughts. But I was still unsure. Logic—and a desire not to be so—would try to convince me: 'If this, then this...but if that, then that.' So I thought 'maybe I need to tell the bishop, and then my prayer will be answered'. So I did. And that very night I got my answer. It was a bit of inspired logic. It made more sense than anything I'd thought of before, and was hard to contradict. I'm not! :) I'm just immature."

The fact that I felt a need to tell the bishop indicates that I thought it was inherently sinful.

During this time, there were lots of debates about gay marriage. Though I certainly was homophobic, I didn't understand why the Church should oppose gay marriage, even if I didn't think it was right.

High School

I entered tenth grade with the belief that I was just immature, and there were all kinds of things to remind me of that. I had a theater class that was mostly girls, and on the first day of class, before any of the other boys had arrived, they asked if I liked being surrounded by all those girls. I nodded, because I knew it was the only acceptable answer. 

My second seminary teacher in tenth grade said some homophobic things. There was another school in the Salt Lake Valley that had selected a gay couple as "cutest couple" in the yearbook, and the teacher said the school was going to hell. Once there was an entire lesson devoted around the topic "Can someone be born gay?" He was saying that no, it was a choice. I kept insisting that yes, someone can be born gay. (I wasn't going to share that I had wondered if I was gay but received personal revelation that I wasn't.) At the end of the lesson, he made a clarification: someone might be born with same-gender attraction, but they couldn't be born gay. That was the first time I had ever heard a distinction between gay and same-gender attraction (which I think is a dubious distinction now). 

In eleventh grade, some girls were talking about a boy in our grade, saying he was very attractive. I remember thinking, "Yes, he is, but why would I know that?" And there were all kinds of messages that something was wrong with me—literally. The Davis County Clipper published an article that complained about the revealing outfits of the waitresses at the French restaurant La Caille. They quoted a man saying, "Every teenage boy is going to feel something when he sees those outfits, and if he doesn't, there is something very, very wrong." I had been to La Caille with my French class, and I didn't feel anything about the outfits. So was something "very, very wrong" with me?

I still hoped that one day I would like girls, even though it became less likely with every passing day. I didn't go on any dates or go to any dances, because I wasn't interested in girls, and also because I convinced myself that everybody hated me.

Mission

I entered the mission as an exceedingly weird guy, still in denial about being gay. My MTC companion put up a picture of his sister, who was a professional dancer. The other elders would come in and say, "Who is that!?" But I wasn't interested in her picture. I would say that I didn't like pretty girls; I only liked homely girls. Now I see that as a bizarre and problematic thing to say. Part of it was that I knew I wasn't a great catch myself, so the pretty girls were out of my league. (After all, TV and society in general portrayed men as selfish, smelly, ugly slobs.) But also, I wasn't interested in any girls, so pretty or homely didn't make much difference to me. 


I was on my mission during Proposition 8. Whereas I had been ambivalent about gay marriage in 2004, now that I was a missionary, I thought, "Well, if the Church is against gay marriage, I guess I am too now!" I heard—and, unfortunately, said—many homophobic messages. I had one companion who came out as gay a few years after coming home and left the Church. I had another companion who I'm pretty sure is asexual, but he would have a hard time admitting that.

When I had four or five months left on my mission, my companion said something to me about when I would see my wife topless—and then he said, "Because I know you'd like that." I remember thinking, "You know, I really wouldn't care to see my wife topless. I'm twenty years old, closer to twenty-one. If I ever was going to be attracted to women, it probably would have happened by now." 

And yet, I remained homophobic. With my last companion, we were looking at a CD that had six men on the cover, and I said, "They all look like a bunch of fags." He said, "That's the worst language I've ever heard you use!" Then he told me about a family friend who was gay and said he had no problem with that. I was surprised and a little disgusted that a faithful Church member would be OK with gay people. I feel really sad that I was essentially taught to hate gay people—which literally means I was taught to hate myself.

When I had my exiting interview with my mission president, we talked about marriage. I expected I would get married in my late twenties, since I knew I wasn't interested in marrying any time soon.

College and Beyond

I began college at BYU with pressure to date, even though it wasn't something I was really interested in. And I also had a hard time believing someone could be interested in me. I didn't go on my first date until I had been home from my mission for more than a year.

I went on a few dates with a girl I had met in my first year at BYU. Since I hadn't really had friends and I wasn't interested in girls, I didn't know what romance was supposed to feel like. Eventually, I stumbled across her blog (which she did not publicly share), and I found a post in which she said that all the men who were interested in her were "WEIRD. Really, really weird." I knew from context that I was one of the weird guys. (In fairness, she also said, "They are all good guys, and all friends." And also in fairness, I was [am?] "really, really weird.") I was really embarrassed, so I never saw her again. I feel sad that I lost a friend because I mistook friendship for romantic feelings, since I was never allowed to experience what romance was supposed to feel like.

In the spring of 2012, there was a viral post by Josh Weed about being in a mixed-orientation marriage. I thought, "Yes, that's what I want to do! If he can make it work, I can make it work too!" 

They received a lot of flak for telling their story. I believe they did not deserve all the anger; they had a right to tell their story. But I will say that their story set up unrealistic expectations for me and the way I planned to live my life. I was devastated when they got divorced six years later—if it didn't work for them, could it really work for me? 

In August 2012, I bought Kelly Clarkson's Stronger CD (because of course that's what a gay guy in the early 2010s does). That CD had the song "Dark Side," and I imagined that one day I would tell my girlfriend or fiancée about my own "dark side" of being gay. The CD also had a song with the lyric "Some pretty legs go by, your gaze is wandering," and I just couldn't imagine gazing at a woman's legs. That was the same day I first came out to my mom.

I dated sporadically in college. During this time, I began to realize that a lot of the arguments against same-sex marriage were not very convincing.

After College

After college, I set up quotas and goals for dating. It wasn't something I wanted to do or enjoyed doing, but I knew it was something I "should" do. 

During this period, I passed as straight. (In 2018, I even had a very gay man set me up with his woman friend.) There were two times I know of where people wondered: In 2015, a guy in my ward seemed concerned that I wasn't more interested in girls, and he asked, "Do you have same-sex attraction?" The friend in the car with us looked at him like, "Why would you ask that!?" I just didn't respond, because of course the answer was yes, but I wasn't ready to out myself. And in 2017, my mom's long-lost uncle (who is gay) came for a visit, and he asked her if she wondered if I was gay, since I was in my late twenties and unmarried.

In November 2015, the infamous "policy of exclusion" came out. My mom asked me how I was feeling in light of it. We had never talked about me being gay since August 2012. I was surprised she remembered our conversation three years later, but I guess you don't forget something like that. I told her that I didn't consider myself gay (since there was a distinction being gay and having same-sex attraction), so I didn't feel personally affected. I came to the conclusion that the policy was done with good intentions, but it was misguided. That's approximately how I feel about it now, but I'm glad I was in a state of denial to protect me from the hurt it would have caused me.

In late 2017 and early 2018, I went on many dates with a wonderful woman. If I had been straight, we would have been considered boyfriend and girlfriend. Or, on the other hand, if I had been straight, I would have recognized that we were incompatible and would have quit dating her sooner. But since I wasn't interested in women, I liked her as much as I would have liked anyone, and I felt comfortable with her.

In February 2018, we were going on a day trip to southern Utah. A few days before the trip, I remember feeling just horrible. What if, during our long car ride, she talked about getting more serious? What would I tell her? I didn't want to give up on dating her, but I also knew nothing was clicking. I said to my mom, "As much as I try to deny it, I really do experience same-sex attraction." But it was still my deepest, darkest secret, so I wasn't comfortable talking about it.

During our trip, we stopped in the Cedar City Temple. I remember sitting in the initiatory room and feeling inspired that I needed to quit dating her. This was sad for me, because she was great, and if I couldn't marry her, then who could I marry? But I knew it was right, because neither of us deserved to be in a marriage where I couldn't authentically care for her. I never went on a date with her again. (I recently took her to dinner to explain all of this.)

In the spring of 2019, the Church reversed the policy of exclusion. I just felt confused. Dallin H. Oaks called the new position "very positive policies," so did that mean they weren't positive when they were introduced less than four years earlier? 

That year was my last year in the YSA ward. I remember feeling dark many times that year, because time was running out for me to find someone. I felt horrible before I had a date with a friend, because I knew I only liked her platonically, I never liked any girls more than platonically, and I didn't know if I ever would. But my goal was to find someone, a goal that became less and less sustainable.

At the beginning of the pandemic in March 2020, I went on my final date with a woman. (I actually asked her out again in October 2021, but she never responded to my message. Pro tip: responding "no" is almost always better than not responding at all.) I was glad to have a pandemic and grad school as excuses not to date. In the fall of both 2020 and 2021, I listed my orientation as "questioning" on the University of Utah's student surveys. I'm glad I was self-aware enough not to call myself straight, even though I wasn't ready to come to terms with being gay yet.

And then 2022 happened. I realized that every time I thought about dating and marrying women and living a heteronormative lifestyle, it just stressed me out. When I saw weddings on TV, I simply couldn't imagine being happy on my wedding day. And I realized that one of my motivations for dating was just so that I would have something to report on when relatives nagged me about dating. (One of a multitude of reasons why you should never nag people about dating!) 

In a period of eight months, I went from planning to find a wife to publicly coming out as gay. That was a substantial shift in a short amount of time. It was honestly the most painful year of my life, even though I had a lot of good things going for me.

The Last Year

Over the last year, I have begun to experience a truer life as a gay man. I have talked about being gay on this blog and elsewhere, though I find that I still tiptoe around it. I have been collecting more rainbow things. I joined a midsingles ward and mentioned being queer in a sacrament meeting talk. (As far as I know, I'm the only queer person who is out in my ward.) I have made a variety of friends in the gay Latter-day Saint community, from the Gather conference and Lift + Love meetings.

I began attending group therapy with other gay men. We're all working on recovering from a lifetime of shame. 

I have been on a date with a man. You know how if you're using a flashlight with old batteries, it doesn't work very well? But then you put fresh batteries in, and you're like, "Oh, that's how it's supposed to work"? For me, dating women was like using old batteries in a flashlight, and dating men is like using fresh batteries.

I simply do not and cannot believe that the Church's current LGBTQ+ policies come from God. Their reasons and explanations keep changing, because their old reasons don't hold up to scrutiny, and I don't think their current ones hold up either. It's easier for me to believe in Church leaders who get things wrong (which we see all throughout the scriptures and Church history) than it is for me to believe in a God who would set me up to fail. Even if I do everything the Church asks me to, I will still never be good enough—I will die alone, I will never be a bishop or a general authority, I might not be exalted, and I will spend my entire life sitting through lessons about how great and important it is to have a family, but not for me. I have to make more sacrifices for fewer blessings.

Others have written extensively about this, so I won't get into it here. I will just say this:
  • God creates gay people, who make up 3 to 10 percent of the population. Does he really expect them to be alone forever?
  • I am not allowed to have a family because of a document that is literally called "The Family."
I'm not looking for a relationship right now. But if I happened to meet the right man, I think I'd be willing to marry him, despite the consequences. I think God would be OK with that, even if it would not be OK with current Church leaders.

Thanks

I want to thank everyone for how supportive and loving you have been. If anyone has not been supportive of me coming out, they have kept their thoughts to themselves.

I ask again that you not share links to my blog online. And if you want to share it with an individual person, please ask me first. I know of at least three instances where people shared my coming-out post last year without asking me, and it bothered me more than I expected. 

And some of you have felt/might feel a well-meaning desire to share quotes from general authorities about the celestial kingdom or other things. Before you do, I invite you to consider whether you are mourning with me and making my burdens light, or whether you are trying to make yourself feel better by not grappling with the dissonance I face. Well-meaning comments can come across as dismissive straightsplaining.

As always, if you have questions, feel free to reach out.

Thank you!

Sunday, October 8, 2023

El otoño es magnífico

*The title of my post comes from a poster hanging in my seventh-grade Spanish class.

There were several talks I liked in general conference last week: Bednar, Daines, Ardern, Phillips, Soares, Gong, Giraud-Carrier. I was really interested that Elder Bednar mentioned J. Reuben Clark's 1947 talk, because it's in my Pioneer Day article. I talked about the April 1947 conference, because there were lots of pioneer talks, but then one of the reviewers suggested that I add Clark's talk from October 1947. (This week I finished reviewing the second round of edits for my article, and it has gone to the typesetter, so it should come out in a few months.)

I keep thinking about President Nelson's talk. I have a theory that his talk was ghost written by President Oaks, at least in part. Here's the evidence I have:

  • His emphasis on living celestial laws and not telestial laws is identical to Oaks's talk. In fact, every time I hear "law" mentioned in Church settings, I can't help but think Oaks is involved.
  • Nelson said, "When you make choices, I invite you to take the long view—an eternal view." This sounds just like Oaks's words in a devotional this past May: "Affected persons and family members should therefore take the long view."
  • His advice "Never take counsel from those who do not believe" contradicts his statement last year: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints embraces all truth that God conveys to His children, whether learned in a scientific laboratory or received by direct revelation from Him." 
  • The topic of his talk and its harshness intensity is much more characteristic of Oaks than of Nelson. (His shaming of people with addictions was especially problematic.)

And I have been astonished at how many people loved his talk, because literally none of my gay friends liked it (or Oaks's).

Anyway, I'm not going to say more about it, because this is just a frivolous blog meant to discuss frivolous topics. On to the frivolity!

This is the best time of the year for evening trail runs. Unfortunately, this is the time of year when it gets dark earlier. But I don't have to miss out—I just have to use my headlamp! I don't know why I haven't used that option much in the past. I definitely prefer running in the daylight, but the headlamp is OK.



I was astonished to see this sinkhole in the trail after a rainstorm. It was a foot or two deep!



Yesterday (Saturday) was my one free Saturday this month, and I didn't want it to go to waste. So I decided to do a thirteen-mile run between Mueller Park and North Canyon. It went like this:
  • 0 miles: start run at Mueller Park
  • 1.2 miles: turn onto Bonneville Shoreline Trail
  • 5.2 miles: arrive in North Canyon
  • 7.25 miles: arrive at Rudy's Flat. Downhill from here!
  • 10.1 miles: arrive at Elephant Rock
  • 13.5 miles: finish run at Mueller Park trailhead (and witness a woman with dogs completely fall on the ground)
The leaves weren't as pretty as I had hoped, but they were still lovely. They aren't as pretty in the daytime as they are at the golden hour in the evening.









This bridge has seen better days. Maybe it's from all the runoff that submerged the bridge this spring?



I was feeling pleased with myself for doing this thirteen-mile run. Remember when I was thirteen and could barely hike one mile? But it turned out that my run overlapped with an ultra race where people were running fifty miles or a 55k. And suddenly my mere thirteen miles didn't seem so impressive.

Of course, my life isn't all about running. On Tuesday, the Utah Historical Society met at the capitol so we could have professional headshots taken of us. Even though I'm only a part-time employee, I get a lot of perks, such as free headshots, free academic memberships, and free trips to LA. (The Church doesn't give me as much [not that I expect them to], but they do give me more access to scholarly databases [JSTOR and the Oxford English Dictionary].) Once we were done at the capitol, I walked down the hill to my other job at the Church History Library. One of my CHL colleagues was walking up to the Daughters of Utah Pioneers Museum by the capitol, and he asked what I was doing in that part of the city. It's such a weird position I'm in to say "my other job." But I think both of my jobs are really cool.

On Wednesday, I attended the musical Jekyll and Hyde with my sister and my cousin. My mom gives my grandparents season tickets to the theater, and they have extra tickets so they can take other people. But my grandma saw it in 2014, and she didn't like it because it was too dark. My uncle quipped in 2014, "It's like if you go to a movie about Noah, you know there's going to be a flood." I like spooky things at this time of year as long as they're not gory. 

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And of course, we can't forget pumpkinundation roundup!

See's Milk Caramel Apple Scotchmallows are tasty, but they're not super evocative of caramel apples. 7/10.
Trader Joe's Pecan Pumpkin Instant Oatmeal has bigger, sturdier oats than most instant oatmeal. I like it. 7/10.
Of all the pumpkin bagels I've had, Thomas' Pumpkin Spice Bagels are the best. They're soft, and they have little pieces of pumpkin filling. 8/10.
The Maverik Pumpkin Chocolate Chip Cookie is more like a chewy chocolate chip cookie, rather than the cakey cookies that most pumpkin cookies are. It really hit the spot. 8/10.
Trader Joe's Fall Harvest Salsa has pumpkin, apples, and other things. I enjoy it. 7/10.
Trader Joe's Pumpkin Tortilla Chips have pumpkin and spices. They're good with salsa; they can get a little bland on their own. 7/10.
Trader Joe's Fall Leaf Corn Tortilla Chips barely count as a pumpkin item. On first glance, it's just the shape that's seasonal, which is not what this feature is supposed to be. But they are made with pumpkin, carrots, and beets. The beets are for color, but they don't specify what the carrots and pumpkin are for. They don't taste like pumpkin, but they seem more enjoyable than regular corn tortilla chips, and they're adorable. 8/10.
"decidedly delicious (not to mention deciduous)." Give that writer a raise!
I put Torani Sugar Free Pumpkin Pie Syrup on crushed ice. How do you even fit pumpkin pie in sugar free syrup? It's OK. 5/10.
I was nervous for Trader Joe's Butternut Squash Lasagna, which has squash puree and pumpkin seeds. I don't like a lot of cheeses. But I liked this lasagna. The cheese wasn't gross, and the squash gave it an unusual but welcome flavor and texture. 7/10.
Taco Time Pumpkin Empanadas have been around since at least 2009, and with good reason. They're pumpkin pie filling in a sweet tortilla. 8/10.
Trader Joe's Pumpkin Spice Batons, surprisingly, taste more like pumpkin (as in the actual vegetable, not just the spices) than any other item I've had this year. I like to use them to sip up my cereal milk. 7/10.
Crave is always so accommodating when I ask them to put their cookies in my own container (instead of their horrible plastic clamshell containers). The Crave Pumpkin Chocolate Chip Cookie was OK. I feel like it's hard to mess these cookies up, but this one just wasn't as interesting. 6/10.

Edit: I forgot to add the Quick Quack Car Wash Pumpkin Spice Scent. It was a fun autumnal scent, but I paid for the cheapest option, and it didn't get my car very clean. 6/10.


Sunday, October 1, 2023

Halfway to seventy

I wrapped up September by going on the Wild Rose Trail most of my free nights, because fall is the best time of year for that trail. But the pictures don't really do justice to the beauty.





I can tell that my parents are from an older generation, because they always say I'm "jogging." Here is a chart of how often "jogging" has been used over the decades; it peaked in the 1980s.

And here is a chart of how often "running" has been used over the decades. It has steadily increased.

During the month of September, I've come across a tarantula and a raccoon. This week, I came across a Jerusalem cricket on our front step. We used to find them in our basement, but it's been a long time since that's happened. They look terrifying, even though they're benign.

I think the blue splotch is because my parents recently painted a shed at my sister's/grandparents' house

And yesterday on my Wild Rose run, I came across what I'm pretty sure is a baby rattlesnake:

This was a first for many reasons:

  • The smallest rattlesnake I've ever seen
  • The first time I've seen one on Wild Rose in the nine years I've been running there
  • The first time I've seen a rattlesnake in September
Also last week, I got a text from a friend saying I was invited to his thirty-fifth birthday party this week. I responded, "Wha?! It's my thirty-fifth birthday this week too!" So I went to that birthday celebration and talked to a few people. It was good to go to a birthday party, since I wasn't feeling up to having one for myself.

My own birthday was on Friday. I was working from home, and I had a friend drop off a very generous gift of holiday kitchen towels (wrapped in rainbow tissue paper) and a Target gift card. Thanks Sandra! 


In the evening my family had pizza, Mexican chocolate cake, and ice cream, and I got my gifts. My sister got me a shirt and my niece got me socks,
and my parents got me an inflatable ghost, a mandoline, and a label maker (all of which were things I had asked for).




And this week we made grape juice, which was later in the year than usual. There are still some grapes on the vine, so we'll see if we make any more.



And I finally finished getting all the Halloween decorations up. We have outgrown the living room! I put these up while listening to my Halloween playlist, which currently has 546 songs (including many that are not available on streaming services). 


The wooden skeleton is very 1980s Relief Society, but it wouldn't be Halloween without it (a friend gave it to my mom back in the day)

My favorite is on the bottom right
Now that my article is done and the decorations are up, I'm hoping things will calm down for a bit!

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Pumpkinundation roundup will be short this week. Since it was the week of my birthday, I could eat whatever I wanted, so I reserved my sugar calories for nonseasonal things. 

I was nervous about Trader Joe's Gluten Free Pumpkin Ravioli, because a lot of gluten-free things taste like sadness, and it had parmesan cheese in the ingredients, and I really don't like parmesan. But it didn't taste sad, and it didn't taste like parmesan! It was sweeter than I expected. I ate it with my own homemade tomato sauce. 7/10.
I got this Gonesh Pumpkin Spice Scented Broom two years ago, and it seems to be less fragrant than it was. But it's good when you can smell it. 7/10
Though I was nervous about the gluten-free ravioli, I knew I would like the Trader Joe's Honey Roasted Pumpkin Ravioli, because I've had it before. This one has more added sugars, and it definitely is sweeter than regular ravioli. I almost think I could have it a little less sweet. 7/10.